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Murder of John P. Wheeler Connected to Mass Bird Deaths?

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Last week, a celebrated and influential Pentagon insider and defense contractor was found dead in Delaware. The body of John P. Wheeler was discovered as a garbage truck dumped its load at a landfill. The death has been ruled a homicide, and thus far the investigators who are piecing together the case have offered no clear motive or reason for his mysterious murder.

In seemingly unrelated news, there has been a sudden die-off of birds and fish in the southern United States that has a lot of people talking about the apocalypse. First 5,000 blackbirds plummeted to the earth in Arkansas, littering the ground with their corpses and even hitting passers-by. Then a few days later, 500 red-winged blackbirds and starlings were found dead in nearby Louisiana. And 80,000 drum fish died in an Arkansas river close to where the blackbirds died.

No one knows for sure what has caused all these animals to die. Some people feel that the fish deaths were caused by the outbreak of disease, and are thus unrelated to the bird deaths. So then what caused the birds to drop dead so suddenly? Most experts are suggesting massive trauma (as opposed to disease) caused by such things as fireworks displays, collisions with power lines, and possibly even extreme weather.

Naturally, conspiracy theories abound. Some have suggested miniature black holes caused by the particle accelerators at Fermilab. Others think that HAARP, a government-funded atmospheric radio frequency project, is to blame. But the most fascinating theory centers around John Wheeler.

Space-filling model of phosgene, COCl 2

Image via Wikipedia

According to an article at, and reprinted at The EU Times in a more readable form, Wheeler may have been killed because he knew too much. He was apparently an expert many times over in the field of chemical and biological weapons. So he certainly would have been familiar with Phosgene, "described as one of the most feared chemical weapons ever used due to its ability to literally cause the lungs and respiratory system to explode."

Apparently, Phosgene taken from Iraq's stockpiles had been stored at a military base in Arkansas for the past few years. Last week it was loaded onto a military transport plane bound for Afghanistan, which subsequently had some sort of malfunction shortly after takeoff, which may have released some of the deadly chemical into the air.

Interestingly, what has been observed so far in the bodies of the dead birds? ABC News reports:

"According to preliminary testing, the trauma was primarily in breast tissue, with blood clots in the body cavity and internal bleeding."

And George Badley, Arkansas state veterinarian, is quoted in the same article as saying:

"Almost every one of them ... had multiple internal hemorrhages which would mean that it was trauma, not a disease process. Their stomachs were empty, which would rule out toxicity from eating some kind of poison grain."

According to the aforementioned WhatDoesItMean article, Wheeler knew exactly what was happening, and determined to keep this dangerous chemical weapon from being used on the battlefield in Afghanistan, marched straight to Washington D.C. to raise hell with the powers-that-be. That got him "marked", and soon after, he was dead.


The latest eyewitness reports to trickle in of Wheeler in the days before his death describe a "disheveled" and disoriented man, stumbling into various businesses and mumbling strange statements. Could he have been drugged? Was it perhaps an attempt at character assassination, so that any information revealed after his death could be conveniently disregarded as the ramblings of a drunk, a junkie, or a lunatic?

What do you think about the theory posited above? Is there a real connection between the animal deaths in the southern US and John Wheeler's murder? Or is it truly just a conspiracy theory dreamed up by people with too much time on their hands? Post a comment below and let us know your opinion.

Theodore Sumrall's picture

One thing missing

This is certainly plausible (except our government would not lie to us).  There is only one thing missing - a Scapegoat.

Anonymous's picture


Our government lies to us all the time. i dont doubt it.

Anonymous's picture

if the govt always told us

if the govt always told us the truth then we would of known about this before it caused a real problem

Red Kill Evil's picture

Theodore are you out of your

Theodore are you out of your mind?? Lay off the pipe buddy. The government is a lie.

Your completely brainwashed.

Anonymous's picture

Read this

Right 5,000 birds all just flew into something at the same time and no one saw this. Were talking 5,000 birds not 50 or 100. And   all have the same truma very unlikely and blamed on fire works? So why dosent this happen every year every where across the Country. Fourth of july? But yet this happened in January? Correct me if im wrong but, not nearly as many fire works are lit for the new year as on the fourth of July.Birds have brains all though very small . the only way they would all fly to there death is if  some air or tempeture change was driving them away from there origin. And thenanother 500 birds shortly after sounds like chemical residue in the air. And after that fish soundslike the chemical residue settled to land. Maybe not strong enough to affect humans at that point because  of being diluted by the air and water. Then was washed away by rain water to the sea killing fish. I would like to know if there was also any major crop damage at this time. And if not  what about human deaths from food related illness at that time. If it did not affect plant there was certainly residue on or in the plant from rain water contamination. Sounds like yet another goverment problem being hidden from the american people and sweep under the rug. We as americans need to stand together apart from the goverment and put our foot down. We do not work for the goverment they work for US. And the lies have to stop. The only way i see a change happening is through revolution as with libya and egypt. We are living in a false democracy. YOU CANT DO THE SAME THING AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS. SO LETS MAKE A CHANGE IT STARTS WITH ME AND YOU. So Help Us God

gmoney's picture


Anonymous wrote:


What do you suggest?

Anonymous's picture

it's everywhere

Anonymous's picture

More Character Assassination

Now they are saying he was a suspect in possible arson attempt.  If this is a conspiracy..... they don't miss a detail!

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

Theory on John Wheeler's death

Out of all the truth and propaganda (we can use both) I favor this part of Putin's story (from the EU Times):

"To the direct reason for Wheeler’s murder was this past week’s transport of Iraqi Phosgene poisonous gas aboard a US Air Force KC-767 tanker aircraft from Little Rock Air Force Base enroute to Afghanistan that shortly after takeoff had a ‘critical malfunction’ of its aerial spraying computer directed command and control system over central Arkansas causing the deaths of thousands of red-wing blackbirds.

According to US reports an estimated 4,000 of these birds were killed outright and were quickly removed by US Environmental Services workers wearing hazmat suits and gas masks. Another US report states that cause of death to these thousands of birds was “trauma in the breast tissue, with blood clots in the body cavity and a lot of internal bleeding” which this GRU report states is consistent with Phosgene exposure."

As to the other locations around the world that have had similar experiences (Sweden, Brazil, New Zealand, etc) I considered the possibility that the military branch in charge of getting rid of the gas, might have to release it somewhere else into the atmosphere (hence the leak on the way out), far away from the USA (in one trip around the world), instead of into the Arkansas ground. Here's where the story can split:

"Upon Wheeler discovering what was happening with Iraq’s Phosgene poisonous gas stockpiles, this report continues, he traveled from his home in Delaware to Washington D.C. where he openly confronted and threatened to expose the Pentagon and White House Officials responsible. Being a Vietnam Veteran who was responsible for having the famous memorial to that war erected, Wheeler was more than knowledgeable about the United States massive chemical and biological attacks in that conflict and had vowed to not let happen again."

That seems very real to me, so I agree that IF he was assassinated, it was by a branch of military who did not want him to tarnish their reputation (or a future plan), or a family like the Bush's who don't like anyone to remember how much dirt they really did. Most likely, it's a domino that might lead to more dominoes that might lead to everything falling down.


If it was a suicide (which I doubt), he might've come down with a case of the CIA's "cancer" that Jack Ruby was stricken with or he knew he was about to die, so he intentionally put himself in an alarming media event that would get peoples attention...but that sounds like a Dan Brown novel to me.

You can also watch how the media spins it, and so far they keep using words like "random" and "not the kind of guy this would happen to" not to mention the suggestion by MSNBC that he might've been offed by the mob. It's all sidetracks and tangents...

The actual facts we need to figure this out are these:

1. His job (we got that, Mitre...already a "WHOA!" Please google it)
2. His associates (The Bush Family, the cyber warfare branch of the military, the bio/chemical branch of the military, Vietnam vets)
3. His last whereabouts (Washington DC, downtown Wilmington and his home in Delaware)
4. His last words (this we're missing so far...we have lots of speculation, but we need emails, texts, memos and testimony from friends of his)

Forget about "random", the FBI and the CIA both state there is no such thing when pertaining to subversive warfare. I think he knew too much, and nowadays, transparency is the apocalypse...

tradewithdave's picture

John P. Wheeler III

This story seems to be expanding by the minute.  We have links to some of the latest breaking news, plus videos from the supposed security camera and possible links between Mitre Corp. and 9 - 11.

Dave Harrison

Derek Gilbert's picture is the website of "Sorcha Faal", A/K/A David Booth, a fervent antichristian who wrote Dirty, Filthy Christians, a book that claims to expose Christianity as "the most dangerous death cult in human history". Since Mr. Booth is so wrong on that basic point, I have no regard for anything he writes -- although I must admit he comes up with some pretty entertaining creative writing pieces inspired by events in the news. He should have been writing for The X-Files.

The disturbing aspect of Booth's disinfo is that, like all the best lies, there's enough truth in his stories to make them plausible. While they are based on news items, the fantastic conclusions -- like a military coup that was put down in a firefight outside the Bush ranch in Texas, for instance -- are never sourced anywhere that you and I can check. The information always originates with Russian intelligence, or some such vague point of origin.

Until something reported at actually comes to pass, read that site strictly for entertainment.

Simon Templar's picture

I read the Bible for

I read the Bible for entertainment...

The fact that it comes from "vague sources" really appeals to my love of fictional literature.

CC's picture

Your Perception

If you devalue someone's written work because they rightly accuse Christians of their death toll, then you might want to get your head checked.  You're delusional.

Christians have embraced slave-labor, war, pillaging, and the spread of disease for centuries.  Just read any non-Texan approved book on history.

If you don't believe me, just ask the descendants of the Native Americans.  I'd say check out Hispanola, but I'm pretty sure Columbus got that race on the extinct species list through disease and slave labor.  Mmm-mmm, got to love that "God, Glory, and Fortune" mentality.

Christian values are based on deception and the devaluing of life.

Anonymous's picture

Murder, rape, robbery,

Murder, rape, robbery, torture all done by wicked people using Christianity as a shield and wrapping themselves in the American flag and calling it humanitarian aid does not make Christianity or the flag the problem.  The problem is the stupidity of people that are so easily mislead by evil people that are neither Christians or humanitarians.  Indoctrinate the young with ignorance and immorality, turn everyone not like them against every one else, invent a continual external threat and just wait for the propagandized, secular society to start slaughtering each other.

aubreyfarmer's picture

John P. Wheeler III

People are like sheep.  The Jewish control of the media will destroy America.  Unable to think for themselves, the American people are building their own prisons.  Just look how even those thinking they are doing the right thing are so mislead.  An example of this is the Judeo-Christian linkage.  Total oxymoron.  The Jews that have hijacked America have nothing in common with Christianity.  In fact they hate Christians, yet through propaganda, lies and indoctrination many actually believe America has the same interests as Israel.  Nothing could be farther from the truth. 

39). "Use the courts, use the judges, use the constitution
of the country, use its medical societies and its laws to
further our ends. Do not stint in your labor in this direction.
And when you have succeeded you will discover that you can now
effect your own legislation at will and you can, by careful
organization, by constant campaigns about the terrors of
society, by pretense as to your effectiveness, make the
capitalist himself, by his own appropriation, finance a large
portion of the quiet Communist conquest of that nation."
(Address of the Jew Laventria Beria, The Communist Textbook on
Psychopolitics, page 8).

Anonymous's picture

Exactly.The whole world is

Exactly.The whole world is wrapped around Isreals asshole...why? Why do these clowns run the worlds $$$? Why do British Anglophiles support them? Why did all the Allied Nations of WW2 destroy the European Resistance and try to kill DeGaul? Why did they turn Italy into a fascist shithole?

J-Toth from Hoth's picture

Follow the money: US taxpayer

Follow the money:

US taxpayer $ goes to ---> IRS $ goes to ---> The FED (aka Rockefellers, Morgans, Fords, DeBeers, and the Rothschilds i.e. Israel) $ goes to ---> The Jesuits (aka the Roman Empire that still owns all the old gold that backs the dollar). It's really just a big pyramid scheme that's been in place for thousands of years. Their mission is to keep the status quo, and act like it's normal.

SHTFgirl's picture

The fruit of a person is who they are!

If you want to know who someone is, regardless if they say they are Christian, Jew, etc, can easily be determined 'by their fruit'  - True believers know their souls would perish if they were involved in the atrocities mentioned I say those who you accuse are imposters using the Bible and its teachings to their evil ends.  This tactic is nothing new and has been used throughout history.  

Also, by you falsely accusing Christians, because your untrained eyes are blinded to the Truth, is only perpetuating the Grand Lie of the Gnostic Illuminati's (CIA & FBA) who want to enslave us all.  Their number one enemy will have to perish first, and will be murdered by the hundreds of thousands, which are Christians.  I am guessing this is something you may enjoy as your words and thoughts and beliefs show your heart has grown cold and unable to discern who the real enemies are.  Good luck to you.

Chuck's picture

Slight error...

John P. Wheeler was found dead in Newark, Delaware, not in New Jersey, as the article says, which is an understandable mistake, since there is also a town named Newark in New Jersey.

Kuncen's picture


Thanks for pointing that out. You're absolutely right - I saw "Newark" and assumed that meant New Jersey. To be honest I wasn't even aware that there was another Newark.

I've edited the article to reflect the correction.


Anonymous's picture


There's one in California as well.  Probably quite a few more around the country.

Dr.No.'s picture



sorcha faal alert


Anonymous's picture


Great article I smell trouble this plot line is too perfect a very well educated and distinguished man who knew too much. From all the research I have done Wheeler was about to seriously make trouble for the Obama camp with what he knew look up these chemical agents then look up Geneva convention. Mass media talking heads have done a great job dumbing down this story. The sad thing is I had trust in our government until I heard about this thank god I have a swiss dual citizenship.

Anonymous's picture

Why isn't the FBI involved? 

Why isn't the FBI involved?  What is going on?  Obama doesn't comment on this but he comments on dumb stuff like the beer summit incident?(REMEMBER)  People wake up!  Obama should be making sure this case is fully covered and investigated if our national security is at stake.  Something STINKS !  People are being murdered at our borders. We need security at the borders too. Where is the media?  I wonder how the poor Wheeler family is doing?  This is serious stuff.  Where are the investigative journalists?   I don't have a theory, but he did appear to be drugged.  Where is the autopsy?  Sad ...if they brush this under the rug.  He was a very important and distinguished man and deserves the respect and honor of a complete investigation.

Anonymous's picture

Chemical warfare

At this point I would not be surprised if the bird death and Wheeler death were related. I can guarantee that the government knows exactly what the cause is, and the media reporting that they somehow hit the ground and that caused their death is ridiculous. If it was fireworks it would happen yearly.  Not sure about the fish though, and the millions of fish dead in Maryland (Chesapeake Bay).

Has global warming reached the point of no return? Are gasses seeping up from the ocean causing all these deaths? Does this type of thing happen more frequently than we know of.

Just like the bee deaths were spoken of in mysterious tones while the government knew full well that it was a pesticide causing the deaths, I think the government knows exactly what is going on. They are probably protecting a corporation of some sort just like they protected the Bayer corporation in the bee death situation. (According to Wikileaks)

Kuncen's picture

Birds dead in Italy

Probably unrelated... but hundreds and possibly thousands of turtle doves have been found dead in Italy.


new world order discussion's picture

great article

thank you for your research into this.  i will keep reading your site.

Nan's picture

Species-specific toxin?

Drum fish and red-winged blackbirds. Why would only one species be singled out? I didn't know a poison could discriminate.


Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

Specific species?

Not anymore:

I'm beginning to believe that was more mainstream media distortion of the truth.

I can list lots of other news reports of all the new animals dying but the point is, those men in "Haz-Mat Suits" that picked up those piles of Blackbirds?...I'm beginning to wonder if they PUT them there, then called the press to watch them clean them up...and take lots of photos...

The belief that these reports are isolated to certain "breeds" of birds and fish is becoming propaganda. If that's the case, which we now know (and will continue to hear) these deaths are not species specific. That being the case, why would the media in the USA be so specific with the reporting on the day this began?

The original reports I read on January 4th said, "4000 blackbirds dead" and "100,000 bonefish dead"...the mere mention of dead blackbirds has literalists running to their Wikipedia, Book of Signs and Bibles. Is there a reason someone would want us to believe it was only those breeds? Dying Blackbirds means something...Christa Bella mentioned it on my other post "John Wheeler III's assassination was curiously timed"...

Anywho...I'm interested in seeing how the government will spin this. Please keep sending these posts facts and propaganda with web addresses so we can get to the bottom of it...and get those involved to trial.

Transparency is the Apocalypse...

Anonymous's picture

Dead Birds in Beebe, AR

I live in this neighborhood in Beebe and was right in the middle of it Saturday morning.  It was really strange waking up to all the dead birds.  My son was sick, so we made a trip to the ER early Saturday morning.  As we were coming back we swung through McDonald's for breakfast.  Small white items started falling on my car while I was at the drive-thru.  I pointed it out to the people at McDonald's so I wasn't the only one who seen it.  It was not snow, sleet, or freezing rain.  We did not know what it was.  I googled this chemical and sure enough it's small white pebbles.  We left McDonald's and went home, where people in HazMat suits were walking around picking up birds.  We had over 40 dead birds in our yard.  Really strange.

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

small white pebbles?

Could that be cloud seeding? I've heard about it, but I've never heard of it being proven.

One of my friends saw a goose fall right next to his car as he was driving to work. It was dead.

Anonymous's picture

McDonalds!  I guess you

McDonalds!  I guess you haven't seen the video of the 3 year old Happy Meal.  I will never set foot inside another McDonalds as long as I live.

Anonymous's picture

John Wheeler

If you work for the military and report to and advise people like Reagan and Bush (and presumably Cheney and James Baker somewhere along the line) and you begin to reveal anything that might cause trouble you most likely wont live long.  In this sense there is, in fact, little difference between Vladimir Putins "new" Stalinism in Russia and our "ultrasecret" Department of Homeland Security and its massive network of interconnected agencies.  Is it possible that Mr. Wheeler was making noises like he was going to reveal some facts that would cause our "leaders" problems? The chairs in Wheelers home being taped off during the police investigation and the radio being played loudly at the house certainly sounds like a forced interrogation scenario.  Did they dose Wheeler with L.S.D. or another dis-orienting agent, interrogate him, and then release him somewhere in that state?  After that anything could have happened.  Like most everything since the Kennedy assassination WE (the public) will NEVER KNOW the actual circumstances.  The true tragedy of our times is that we have allowed the creation of a government not of the people, by the people and for the people, but of the rich, by the rich and for the rich.   

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

Transparency is the

Transparency is the Apocalypse...and it's coming soon to a government near you!

Anonymous's picture

uncomfortable but not unlikely

good to see some rational discussion.

the comment from folks in the town would be great to follow up.

anyone collect any of whatever was falling from the sky? and how could it be safe to walk around if it was falling? but then also the kid was sick and going to the ER - no connection?  It's sad but true that since JFK's death (or maybe earlier than that?) there has been nothing the govt won't do and won't not tell anyone about - so much secreccy and so many lies - so much death and so much pain caused around the world.

Today I was thinking perhaps the real America died in the outbreak of the civil war when we were first tricked into killing each other over what was not about slavery or cessession but about money and power and greed and the bankers who wanted to co-opt us - perhaps we've been a dead nation for so long we don't know anymore what it is like to be alive... factions and in-fighting, labeling and mis-leading - and all the media and control tactics of the Nazis being used on us for the last 60 years to sway us into confusion and complacency - it's no wonder anyone who is really trying to figure otu what the heck is really going on is confounded and confused and exhauseted byt he effort...

Maybe better to try not to look up anymjore?

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

No. That's why we haven't

No. That's why we haven't moved...but I've been thinking of this lately:

A belief is only a thought I keep if I'm not getting what I want, and I keep thinking about what I don't have, I'm going to continue proving that I will never get what I want.

Well, if a belief is only a thought I keep thinking (I'm not pain no must be karma...I was born under the wrong's the government's fault...) what happens if I start thinking about ONLY what I want, even if it's not true yet?

The Wright Brothers thought man could fly...EVERYONE said they couldn't. SCIENCE said they couldn't...HISTORY said they couldn't...but what happened?
They made their belief reality by thinking a thought over and over.

I want Amnesty for Transparency because we become stronger as metaphysical beings when we learn to trust ourselves (and then each other) so we can move beyond the cultures of primal man. It's time.

Transparency is the's coming whether they want it or not.

Anonymous's picture

re: no that's why we haven't..

It's a tall order.

To only think about what you want.

I used to believe it was the only way to go - and I've 'manifested' a LOT that I love in life...

but these bigger things are not insignificant. the ostrich approach seems simplistic in the face of such things as being a citizen in a country poisoning the planet, murdering millions, etc etc

sometimes I just go back there though, and don't look out into the world at lall for years at a time - it's the only way I can find to keep sane and keep doing what is good and beaufitufl in the world...

transparency is coming is a good start. I like it. I'll add it to my daily list of things I know and watch for signs of it showing up... it is not ALL disniformation and propoganda and bad people in the world, after all...


Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture


Thanks. Btw, I consider "the ostrich approach" not doing anything. The power of attraction created the airplane...and the lightbulb...and cures for malaria...and democracy.

It's those who take advantage of the above ideas that we have to shine the light on. Transparency's not impossible, it's very possible.

It's also the platform Obama ran on next to "change" and I still believe him...he's just slow playing his hand to gain a second term.

Transparency is the Apocalypse...ask any person in power who built their empire on secrets...(ever notice who doesn't like Wikileaks? That's the first clue right there who's going down...)

Anonymous's picture

re impossible?

ostriches may do nothing - and attraction might have built the airplane.. okay - but ostrich is what I do when I can't stand to look at anymore of this crud ugh stuff of how messed up it all is...

oh - no one likes wiki leaks - my position at this piont is that everyone in office is bought and paid for and will dow hatever it takes to tow the line for their masters - Washington's blog has a great piece today on who is replacing Summer and Emmanuael... as he says - different day same crowd -

but I don't expect anything from the 'leaders' at this point - they are all political prisoners of sorts -

on the other hand, look what the MA supreme court did today - a step in the right direction...

so things can happen.

I'm going to go back to dreaming up what feels good for the rest of this day - and see if I can make it last all weekend... nice chatting with you - have a good weekend. ;)

Kuncen's picture


JTfH and Anonymous, your comments on transparency are very insightful!  You might be interested in this thread, about the value (or absence of value) of Wikileaks:

I'd be interested to see what comments you have about that, if you feel so compelled. Better yet, you could write an article about "Transparency is the Apocalypse" — you'd just have to create an account first (which is very easy & quick).


Ethan's picture


Theres a couple of things from the article that confuse me. First the part about mini black holes, that would be impossible, if only for the reason even a mini black hole would do alot more damage than kill some blackbirds. Secondly why would the US government be interested in shipping phosgene to Afghanistan? There are much more advanced chemical agents available. No one has used Phosgene extensively in war since the Japanese against the Chinese in the 1930's, although there was some limited use in the Iran Iraq War. Its pretty unlikely that the government would go around spraying phosgene even in Afghanistan without anyone noticing. The Wheeler death is pretty interesting however and there is likely to be much more to it.

Kuncen's picture


Glad to have our resident weapons expert around!  Thanks for shedding some level-headed light on this.


Anonymous's picture


The reason they would move this chemical to Afghanistan could be that they might want to use it somewhere in the Middle East(maybe Israel)  and somehow blame Iran for it, giving them a good reason  to invade that country, they want their oil back.

Anonymous's picture

obama not part of it??

Jonathan Toth - trully you cannot be so blind not to see that Obama, Bush, Clinton, all of them, were hand picked before they were elected by the Bilderberg group.   

See this site - also - this quote:

as we covered in 2008 when Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama attended the Bilderberg meeting in Chantilly Virginia under a cloak of secrecy,

Anonymous's picture


Apocalypse comes from the Greek and literally means "lifting of the veils"  So I pray for the apocalypse.  It is time for humankind to WAKE up!!

Re Transparency:  Lets support Wiki-leaks!!!  At least some truths are being exposed

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

These are just theories, let's expand them...

Now this site keeps telling me I'm spam?

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture


WTF? It's not letting me submit my next theories...

Kuncen's picture

Not spam

We use the services of to filter for spam.  This allows anonymous (not logged in) users like yourself to comment without having to enter a CAPTCHA.  Occasionally Mollom determines that your comment might be spam, and then you have to enter the letters shown to verify that you're not a spambot.  That's all it is, nothing else.  Works pretty good too, as there isn't any spam on this site... knock on wood.


Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

My comment was the same stuff I've been talking about...

and it wouldn't print it, no captcha option.

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

I'll be over at Facebook, on the WikiLeaks Discussion boards...


Jonathan Getzschman

Anonymous's picture

Why isn't the FBI involved? 

Why isn't the FBI involved?  What is going on?  Obama doesn't comment on this but he comments on dumb stuff like the beer summit incident?(REMEMBER)  People wake up!  Obama should be making sure this case is fully covered and investigated if our national security is at stake.  Something STINKS !  People are being murdered at our borders. We need security at the borders too. Where is the media?  I wonder how the poor Wheeler family is doing?  This is serious stuff.  Where are the investigative journalists?   I don't have a theory, but he did appear to be drugged.  Where is the autopsy?  Sad ...if they brush this under the rug.  He was a very important and distinguished man and deserves the respect and honor of a complete investigation.

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

I've been emailed 3 times for the reply "Why isn't the FBI..."

Are you guys poking me, or is a government agency spurring me to send my info out over the web again?

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

Sidetrack to get away from John Wheeler's death?

"A search of Jared Loughner's home revealed a safe which held messages carrying the words "I planned ahead", "My assassination" and the word 'Giffords', court documents said."

I say fingerprint the documents just to make sure they're his, because that sounds like the "planting evidence 101" in the book of "How To's" by the CIA.

The guy sounds disturbed, and (realistically) like he had a bad bipolar moment (not take credit away from him) but, if someone wanted him to kill this specific politician, how would they instill the idea to make it his own?

My guess would be:
1. Go to his youtube site (which was readily available to the media)
2. Tell him how much you agree with him (every youtuber's dream to have REAL fans)
3. Admit, you have feelings about the government that are scary enough, you might be interested in doing something...revolutionary
4. Hang out in cyberspace for months, exchanging theories on how the liberals are f*cking up the country, especially the slackasses along the border, who's now gonna allow ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CHILDREN TO JOIN OUR MILITARY IF THEIR PARENTS CAN GET INTO THE COUNTRY...
5. Meet him after awhile and go the shooting range.
6. Get him excited about being a pure revolutionary and maybe some prescription drugs that help out a lot...or can be switched whenever...
7. Throw it on the table: wanna change the world by taking out this one lynchpin that will eventually bring down the United States?

Anonymous's picture

Forget chemical warfare. 

Forget chemical warfare.  Frequency and shockwave weapons experiments are to blame.  Otherwise, thousands of PEOPLE would have been poisoned.  duh.  Have I said too much? 

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

Since you can't prove that,

Since you can't prove that, we can also theorize that nerve gas, dispersed at high enough levels (or low enough levels) would affect the smaller life forms, and humans might not notice. If it is frequency or shockwave weapons as you think, why wouldn't we feel that?

The point was, John Wheeler III, the oldest, most prominent bio/chemical warfare expert under both Bush's was assassinated...and then animals started the world of the FBI and the CIA that's a coincidence they wouldn't ignore...unless they had a reason to.

Transparency is the Apocalypse.

Anonymous's picture



Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture


I did, and I don't think it is. Nerve gas still looks to me like a more likely theory.

telson's picture

Birds and fishes

Hos 4:3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls (ofe - birds) of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

Hosea 4:3 is the word languish, which is  hebrew amal. Amal is in this verse such verb tense, which means to be or grow feeble and to languish. The Bible has the prophecy that because of sin of men everyone who dwelled in the earth shall languish (weaken) (diseases, sudden deaths). The Bible says that animals in the field, birds and fishes weakens and fishes shall disappear from the seas. I believe that this means deaths and mass deaths of animals.

Hosea 4:3 says also that the man poison the fields, which causes weaken and deaths to animals, which eat the harvest of the fields. This partly explains mass deaths and disappearing of the honey bees.

It is very clear that the activities of the men have been polluted, poisoned and destroyed the nature, the oceans and the seas. This means that animals, birds, fishes and so on have died and shall come to die (mass deaths). The Bible tells this very clearly.

Hosea 4:3 shows for us also that weakening is the reason to deaths. This means that man made pollutants, toxic chemicals and environmental poisons influence to animals that they weaken and die.

Hosea shows for us also that all (also people) who dwelled on the earth shall suffer from this. In the last days, many people shall die to several diseases, which due to poisonous substances made by the men. All over the world die daily many people, but it doesn't necessary awake people and therefore, God says in the Bible that when animals begin to die (mass deaths) so it is time to wake up from the sins, and it is the time to believe in the Lord Jesus.

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good good

telson wrote:

Hosea shows for us also that all (also people) who dwelled on the earth shall suffer from this. In the last days, many people shall die to several diseases, which due to poisonous substances made by the men. All over the world die daily many people, but it doesn't necessary awake people and therefore, God says in the Bible that when animals begin to die (mass deaths) so it is time to wake up from the sins, and it is the time to believe in the Lord Jesus.

haha :)

good to hear a fresh new analysis of a stale issue, and a well thought out pragmatic solution to end.

Jonathan Toth from Hoth's picture

Better answers, but less connection to John Wheeler

Latest collective theory on worldwide Animal deaths 

[In three parts]

1. Wik-Bee Leaks Uncovers Government Bee Killing Conspiracy

The November 2nd memo, leaked to a Colorado beekeeper, indicates that the EPA was well-aware that the pesticide Clothianidin posed some serious risks to honey bees. There have been concerns about this chemical from as far back as 2003, and it's already been banned in Germany, France, Italy and Slovenia because of its toxicity. But the EPA chose to sweep all that under the rug to keep the pesticide on the market.

Clothianidin, marketed as "Poncho" by Bayer, is widely used on corn, as well as canola, soy, sugar beets, sunflowers and wheat. As if the $262 million cash crop from last year wasn't enough, Bayer wants to keep expanding the pesticide's use. And the company's original registration was based on some seriously flawed science: they evaluated the wrong crop, with the wrong controls to assess the impact on bees.

This all adds up to some serious questions about the government contributing to Colony Collapse Disorder as they knowingly allowed Bayer to poison bees. And this is about a lot more than honey production ... native habitats, and as much as one-third of America's food supply, rely on the pollination provided by bees.

In light of the leaked memo, the National Honey Bee Advisory Board, American Beekeeping Federation, American Honey Producers Association, Beyond Pesticides, Pesticide Action Network North America, and Center for Biological Diversity sent a letter to the EPA requesting that the agency "take urgent action to stop the use of this toxic chemical."

The letter goes on to point out that this new information indicates an overuse of the Office of Pesticide Program's conditional registration program. This bee boondoggle "represents a failure that could and should have been avoided." As a result, the coalition is calling for an immediate moratorium on these types of registration until the program is evaluated.

There's still a lot we don't know about Colony Collapse Disorder and the massive bee die-offs it's been causing. One thing we do know is that bees are in trouble, and that's not good news for all the animals (and humans) who rely on the plants these important insects sustain.

Join the call for the EPA to stop the sale of Poncho and conduct a thorough study into the pesticide's impact on wildlife.

2. Bye Bye Blackbird: USDA Admits Responsibility for Mass Bird Death; 4,000,000 Birds Killed in ’09

The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) had admitted responsibility for the poisoning of thousands of birds, many of which were found dead on the ground and frozen in trees in Yankton, South Dakota on Monday. According to Truthout, the USDA’s Wildlife Services Program works with farmers to cull birds which often eat large quantities of agricultural feed and defecate on livestock and farm equipment. There’s even a name for this little-known government bird control program: Bye Bye Blackbird. In 2009 alone, the USDA killed more than 4,000,000 red-winged blackbirds, starlings, cowbirds and grackles. Pesticides are the weapon of choice; an avian poison called DRC-1339 was used in the Yankton case. Up to 5,000 birds were sprayed in neighboring Nebraska and somehow managed to make it to South Dakota before dying. The USDA stresses that this incident is in no way related to the mass bird deaths that have made headlines this year, most notably in Arkansas and Louisiana.

Under the Bye Bye Blackbird program, farmers are allowed to kill any blackbirds, grackles and starlings deemed to be a health risk or damaging to the economy. Farmers often hire private contractors to do the dirty work. “Every winter, there’s massive and purposeful kills of these blackbirds,” Greg Butcher, director of bird conservation at the National Audubon Society told Truthout. Carol Bannerman, a spokeswoman for USDA Wildlife Services, dismisses the obvious animal cruelty implications of such killings. “It’s not that we have anything against starlings, but our charge is to help protect agriculture… and protect property and human health or safety,” she said. “And the fact is, in a lot of rural settings, people say, ‘It’s just birds, what’s the problem?’”

It’s “just birds”… including some endangered ones. Ornithologists believe the mass killings may be reducing the number of the rare rusty blackbird, which roosts with more common varieties of blackbirds. With private contract killers not required to keep tabs of how many birds they kill, the rusty blackbird could be in serious danger.

3. Dead Birds, Bees & Fish Explained By EPA Document? VIDEO

This video is the Young Turks breaking down the simple logic of, "Hello?" If you kill the honey bees with poison (albeit unintentionally), then you admit to feeding the birds poison (after the US government stated on record, that they did not poison the birds) you don't think there could be exponential effects on the rest of our ecosystem?

Any poison infected bird that dies and falls into streams, rivers and oceans will be eaten by fish (sound familiar?) and any birds that fall on land around carnivores can be possibly eaten as well. Also, poisonous bird droppings will land all over crops, grains, and food for us and other animals.

It obviously wasn't well thought out, but GOD DAMN. Einstein said, "If the bees die, the human race will be dead within four years," (no pollinators, no plants) and now we're finding out the only other pollinators are dying as well. It doesn't sound very bright. It sounds like greed and opportunism, similar to what we've been experiencing with many big business decisions as of late.

Thanks to all my fellow WikiLeakers for collecting these links and sharing them freely.

Transparency is the what shall we do about it?

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no discussion before

Jonathan Toth from Hoth wrote:

It obviously wasn't well thought out, but GOD DAMN. Einstein said, "If the bees die, the human race will be dead within four years," (no pollinators, no plants) and now we're finding out the only other pollinators are dying as well. It doesn't sound very bright. It sounds like greed and opportunism, similar to what we've been experiencing with many big business decisions as of late.

i don't really like these big decisions being made arbitrarily by the powers that be.  i feel like maybe this should have been discussed first, before they did it. no surprise i guess, that we weren't consulted, we never are.

Anonymous's picture

My Take

I'm a resident in Newark, Delaware, I spend quite a bit of time in Wilmington, going back and forth for school and friends. Not that this makes me credible, but has anyone considered this theory? Last week, USAToday, published a time line, stating that he was last seen around 9pm, on 11th street heading into the more..."rough" area of Wilmington, otherwise known as the ghetto. Sounds harsh, but that is what it really is. I've driven down 4th street and passed by 11th 9pm to early hours of the morning. And trust me, it is not one place that you want to be. Seeing groups of men standing on street corners at 3am, especially since the bars close at 1am, is threatening. You just get a scared feeling even driving through that area.

Doesn't anyone think it is possible, that he was disoriented due to his mental state, wandered into the bad part and someone attempted to rob him? Given his military background, it is highly likely that he tried to fight back, but say there was more than one person? He died of blunt force trauma, so therefor, maybe he got hit across the back of the head, in attempt to stop him from fighting back anymore. And then, when the persons tried to rob him, they went through his wallet...he belongings, and probably found government credentials, then went, oh shit, panicked, and then drove his body into Newark, and deposited him there, due to fear of the consequences of killing a government official.

Hey, maybe they didn't even realize he was dead, and just drove him there to disorient him from actually being able to identify anyone or the place. And then he died in the dumpster. Who knows? But this is just my theory.

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It's possible...but during

It's possible...but during the Information Wars, it still feels deliberate and meant as a sign to anyone who would "rat" out the inner workings of the military complex.

I just watched "Knight and Day"...I like the line, "they can't let you go now, you've seen the inside of the honeycomb."